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 on: October 07, 2013, 03:46:02 AM 
Started by JimmyTheSaint - Last post by JimmyTheSaint
The DAW solution looks like a lot more than I need. Actually, BFD2's panic function will cut off all audio, including ending any groove that is playing. I still really would like to have the momentary switch activate panic. So when I have the Panic parameter mapped to CC 64, I need to solve the problem of why BFD doesn't respond with Panic when it receives velocity 000 for CC 64 on channel 10.

 on: October 07, 2013, 12:54:22 AM 
Started by Slyder - Last post by bluesapostle2
Worked great for me, I use a Mac Book Pro with up to date OS. It also worked fantastic to get Zen Edit working for me as well! Wish the Midi In and Midi Out connectors were different colors though!!

 on: October 06, 2013, 09:34:12 PM 
Started by JimmyTheSaint - Last post by DrumWagon
I see.  Well, I can tell you how I have mine setup, but it's very specific to my DAW of choice, Reaper.

One of the many cool things about Reaper is that you can develop your own filters using a variant of ECMAScript.  When I first switched over to BFD2, I wrote a small filter that converts CCs over to Note messages.  This allows me to effectively remap CC#64 over to Note#127, which I've then mapped within BFD to a cymbal choke group.

Again, that's very specific to my own needs, but it might give you some ideas.

BTW, that filter I wrote is also available here, should anyone also be using Reaper: http://nebiru.com/drumWagon/page.cfm/ReaperJS


 on: October 06, 2013, 09:15:40 PM 
Started by JimmyTheSaint - Last post by JimmyTheSaint
Oh, right, midi note off obviously won't cut off audio once the note's begun. I'm just trying to find some use for my momentary switch, which just sits idle because I'll never use my ZenDrum melodically since I have a nice keyboard. Also, in my symmetrical layout I have no triggers left to devote to a real choke. I'll probably end up making left-handed and right-handed layouts that use the opposite side for percussion, chokes, etc.

 on: October 06, 2013, 09:09:53 PM 
Started by JimmyTheSaint - Last post by DrumWagon
Just the clarify, my comments above meant to say that "note off" does not mean "cut off all audio".  Roland does seem to interpret the MIDI spec in that fashion, but strictly speaking it means to stop processing all note on/off messages.  If the audio engine is still processing a sound I think it's correct to let the tails continue as it's less abrupt.

If you're truly going for that effect though, you might consider using the CC as automation in your DAW or host application, to toggle a mute function.

Just curious though, what is your goal with all this?

 on: October 06, 2013, 06:49:18 PM 
Started by JimmyTheSaint - Last post by JimmyTheSaint
Yes, for now cut off all active sounds. I tried my first plan: programming the switch to CC 64 and mapping that to panic in BFD's automation section. BFD's midi inspector verifies correctness, but I'm still not getting note off action. I also tried all three automation modes (continuous, toggle, and switch).

 on: October 06, 2013, 06:31:02 PM 
Started by JimmyTheSaint - Last post by DrumWagon
Some modules (Roland for instance) cut off all the sounds when CC#123 is received.  I don't believe that's the case for BFD, but John Emrich would probably be the final word on that.  Usually #123 just means stop processing incoming note data for a short period of time.

I use BFD's choke articulations to accomplish cymbal chokes, but it sounds like you want to just abruptly cut off 'all' active sounds?

 on: October 06, 2013, 06:18:27 PM 
Started by JimmyTheSaint - Last post by JimmyTheSaint
Thanks. I was misreading the 5-sided graphic as corresponding to the momentary switch. Also, I expected the switch to be in the center of those three at the bottom, surrounded by the two jacks. I programmed the nested concentric circles as recommended. It blinks now in ZenEdit, and I verify in BFD that it receives "CC [123], Val [000], Ch [10]," but I'm not getting any note off action. The hihat continues to ring out. I've un-mapped BFD's panic function. Can you tell me what I'm missing now? For now, I'd rather use my otherwise unused momentary switch than dedicate triggers to choke.

 on: October 06, 2013, 05:29:24 PM 
Started by Slyder - Last post by Slyder
Let me know how you make out with the UNO.
I had problems with the driver downloads.

 on: October 06, 2013, 12:26:40 PM 
Started by JimmyTheSaint - Last post by DrumWagon
The sustain button should not disappear if 'show unused items' is disabled.
This suggests you don't have that control configured properly or are not using the correct on-screen control.

When properly configured, the sustain button will render as a round button with nested concentric circles and will have 'CC 1' watermarked along the bottom.
On the 'Advanced' trigger settings tab, 'MIDI Message' will show 'Control Change'.  On the 'Calibration' tab, Min will be 0 and Max will be 7.  The polarity is not inverted and the response curve is zero.
These are the DEFAULT settings for a new project.  You can create a new project to confirm this and to compare to your own settings.  Please double check your settings and that you are correctly identifying 'CC 1' as that is the momentary switch.

Regarding BFD, by default the 'all notes off' (so-called panic) CC message is #123.  This is the standard message number for that feature and there is no need to remap it to #64.  It's more proper to change the CC number emitted by your momentary switch to be #123.

Personally I don't use 'all notes off' to choke as I don't find that to sound realistic.  I instead use the choke articulations for particular cymbals slots.  That's a bit more complicated however and involves customizing your keymap, converting CC messages to note on/off and creating a repeater if there is more than one cymbal you intend to make chokeable.

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