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Messages - randtor

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ZenEdit / Re: volume control; switching kits; sustain, all on TDW20
« on: December 17, 2011, 01:10:05 pm »
Thanks for the info gentlemen, much appreciated!

Allan, what happened to you is what I fear most, lol!

Darin, thanks for the detailed post.  I gave the ZDD a lot of consideration. End result was it seemed limited in my ability to tweak the sounds if I needed to, although I am sure most of the sounds are far superior to what I have now. It just seemed like I was getting rid of one module to use another, which was more technically limited but much better sounding; a trade off between these 2 important points essentially caused me to back up and reconsider the potential of using a VST and DAW with a PC as you have done. Yep, it requires a lot of hardware, hooked up properly; a lot of software, tweaked to my personal tastes; and, a huge learning curve. But hell, so did the Zendrum! I am finally.... after 7 years owning, and over 5 playing steadily... getting my own patterns established! It has now become almost intuitive, so I "know" where I need a pad to sound like a particular drum to fit my particular style of playing. Now that's a HUGE learning curve, or I am a sloooooow learner, lol! I could certainly start with the program and eventually bring it into regular use after I get all the gear and get all the bugs straightened out. It appears that there is such a significant difference in the sounds, it will be well worth the effort.

As to the trouble I am having... I got the kits changing for me last night. Don't know what I did, but suddenly it was working. I still cannot get the volume control working, but I will calibrate it, then try and reset it. For some reason last night I had communication problems between zenedit and my zendrum. I made changes in Zenedit, and exported them thru Midi-Ox, but they never "took". I could see the signal was being received, and I did a save after, but no joy.  I had to go into my Zendrum and physically make the change. First time that has happened, and I suspect it had to do with how I set thing up, not the program. Usually that's the issue..me!  :-)

Thanks again,

Rand
ADDENDUM: Yep, as suspected, I have met the enemy, and it is me! I must have changed that ^#$!@ volume knob CC# at least 5 or 6 times. Did I save it once? oh, wait, what?? Why would I possibly want to do that! Grrrrrrrr............. All set.... I did a save, it works fine. My head is muddled, I have been home with a virus all week, plenty of time to dig deep into the settings, but also not allowing me to function at 100% ..... sorry, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!!

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ZenEdit / volume control; switching kits; sustain, all on TDW20
« on: December 16, 2011, 06:03:16 pm »
Hi Darin,

I'm not sure this is for you, if I've screwed something up within zenedit or not :-(

When I was using my TDW10 the volume contro knob with #7 worked fine; I was able to switch kits on the TD10 using my +/- pads and left arrow to maintain; I never did get the sustain switch to operate as a cymbal choke, not sure if that's possible.

Now that I am finally using my TDW20, I seem to have somehow lost abilities #1 and #2! No volume control, no switching out kits. This when I am using  my UP at CH#9. If I switch my UP CH to #16 (which was set up for the TD10), even though I am using my TD20, they both seem to work. What did I screw up? :-)

I've looked at both the zendrum and zenedit, the answer escapes me.

Thanks for helping if you can.

And another unrelated question: Are there any samples of SD2 or EZ drummer that are limited kits etc., but are free to download and try out? I bought some VEX packs for my TD20 and they really sound great. But most folks that use they SD/BFD software kits say there is no comparison. I've shied away because of fear of a PC freeze during a performance. But you have used both, and perhaps can shed some light on that for me. I'd really like to get the best possible sound with no fear factor. I don't hear anyone complaining that the PC / software route is casuing issues as in the past. Portability is also a concern, but you are giggng if I recall, and you find it pretty easy?

Thanks,
Rand

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ZenChat / Re: Recording with MIDI out
« on: December 08, 2011, 11:56:14 pm »
Thanks Darin,

I have read your blog several times, good stuff and great informational source for me. I have the Vex packs for the TDW20 module, they sound pretty decent. i am going to mix and match some of the drums and make my own kits, according to my ears. Not necessarily a good thing, lol! I am still giving a great deal of consideration to the idea of upgrading to a laptop and SD, but that will have to wait until next spring at the earliest. My GAS condition has emptied my wallet and completely busted my budget... for this year AND next, lol! I will have to borrow from the 2013 budget to upgrade anything in 2012. Argh!

I will record then with my drums flat and no effects, since what you say makes sense and is essentially the same story we got from the engineer. It's just a bit disconcerting to hear my drums so 'lifeless' on the rough tracks. We got one track back that was just a quick and dirty mix, and I wasn't really fond of the end result of my drum sounds. I suppose I need to make the engineer aware of that, and let him know what I like; 'course that may not carry any weight if the band likes HIS end result !!

Latah,
Rand

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ZenChat / Re: Recording with MIDI out
« on: December 07, 2011, 12:40:18 pm »
Hey Darin,

I guess the question that begs an answer is, how the heck do you sound as good live, lol!
OK on all that then. To save time and not spend hours upon hours engineering the drums myself, I think (due to those time constraints) it's probably better to stick with 8 outs, pan the toms, crashes, ride and HH, also percussion, hard left and right for separation and allow the engineer to get in there afterwards, and do what they do. That's what one of the engineers suggested, for the drum tracks. We just didn't know if that was the best way.

He also suggested we record the drums as dry and flat as possible, with NO effects, so he can make them sound the way he thinks they should. I don't like that much, I like my own tones, and sounds. When I listen back to recorded tracks with no effects, there is no life to  my sound. It is disappointing when I hear it. Course the final mix will address that. But do I cave in and do it that way, or stick to my guns and ask for my own sounds to be used as much as possible? I don't want to do it the wrong way (if there is a "wrong" way), but I am not real happy giving up tonal control.
Thanks Darin, ... btw, after all the chatting we've done, and all your help for me with Zenedit, I am sorry I misspelled your name in the last email! The Zenedit program is "Da Bomb" ! ! ! !

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ZenChat / Re: Recording with MIDI out
« on: December 05, 2011, 07:45:23 pm »
Thanks guys,

Hmm, that all sounds pretty complicated to me, I am not very familiar with recording techniques, DAW's, VST's and the like. I understand the principles of what you are both saying, but it seems a rather cumbersome route to recording a decent sound for drums. I'm thinking, when folks record acoustic drums, they mike them, record them, and then tweak the sounds to get what they think is best. Or is that different now? One thread said the drums we hear on pretty much all recordings now, are remixes of an acoustic set that was miked, then engineered as you were saying Darren, using VST to make the drums electronically sound different, better, more suited to what the band/engineer wants to hear.
If I understand what is being said, the MIDI sends a signal, not a sound,  and that signal can then be recorded as a 'data track'. Then take that track and send it back through either a module (Roland) or a PC using BFD, SD, or whatever software I am using; that track would then be edited and further tweaked to get the sound wanted, then THAT recording would have to be sent to the board for a final mix in with the vocals and instruments.... is that about right? Would that still allow for an engineer to do a mix, bringing volumes up or down of certain drums/cymbals, etc., during certain portions of the song? Or is that better addressed using the 8 'outs' for separation of drum sounds?

~R

Thanks for the info. I am SO not technically proficient! The guys in the band are pretty good with all this stuff, but electronic drums are not their forte, they are looking to me for answers.

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ZenChat / Recording with MIDI out
« on: December 02, 2011, 12:50:09 pm »
Hi all,

We have been doing some recording of tracks for our band, and I have been using the 8 channel outs on my Roland module to add 8 channels of drums (some on separate channels, and some like the Toms, panned hard and soft, left and right) so when it is engineered there is some separation of the snare, kick, toms, cymbals, HH, etc. Since the Roland has MIDI out, and the recording device allows for MIDI in, the question has arisen, can we use the MIDI 'out' on the Roland module, to the recording device, and then be able to separate the drums?  Or would it be just like running a simple stereo pair from the Roland master (L) and (R)'s, which does not allow any significant ability to engineer separate sounds, or change volumes of individual drums within the kit once it has been recorded.

I can't recall the board they are using for recording, but I don't think that makes a diference. This is more a question of how MIDI is recorded, and if the individual drums can be tweaked, or is it only the entire kit that can now be engineered.

Thanks,
Rand

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ZenChat / Re: Our Brother, Tom Roady
« on: December 02, 2011, 12:41:32 pm »
Unfortunately I never had the pleasure of a face to face, but corresponded a few times here on the forum. I watched his videos, and marveled at how he was able to take drumming and percussion to a new height.
He will be missed by all.
RIP Mayor.

~R

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Music / Re: Exit the soundman, enter the zendrummer....
« on: November 27, 2011, 11:41:05 am »
Hear Hear!!
 ;D

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ZenChat / Re: The Mayor
« on: November 27, 2011, 11:37:34 am »
Well, that is GREAT news! My best to Tom and his family, I hope with that kind of news they can really enjoy the holiday season a lot more.

Rand

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Hey Wilson,

I just came across your videos, great stuff man! You really have a lot of technical stuff goingon, and it sure fills out your sound. 2 of you playing is really quite full, and the vocals are spot on. The triad harmonies produced by the harmonizer are terrific add-ons. I like the simple melodies and "nothing over the top" type of sound you fellas have mastered. I sure could spend a night listening to you guys!
Loved your version of Cryin' In the Rain. Sweet!

Rand
PS: I am in Dartmouth, about an hour South of you. Scituate is one of those places "you just can't get to from here", lol!

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ZenChat / Re: The Mayor
« on: November 09, 2011, 12:10:45 pm »
I never personally met Tom, but have chatted with him online here, and visited his website. He is an amazing person and musician. My thoughts and prayers go out to  him and his family.

Rand

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ZenEdit / Re: Upcoming release, plus road map
« on: August 10, 2011, 09:49:49 pm »
Wow... I mean... WOW !

Darin, you are out really adding to the zendrum mystique, lol! Nice stuff coming, I am really looking forward to seeing the changes. As always, you end up providing way more than what we expect. Nice job man!

~Rand

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Tech Help / Re: Calibration of triggers on a Z4
« on: July 25, 2011, 08:54:15 pm »
Darren,

That looks awesome! Looking forward to the new release!

Rand

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ZenChat / Re: global triggers
« on: July 17, 2011, 11:25:31 pm »
Mark,

I don't use BFD, but with my Roland module I have sometimes seen this: I assigned a snare drum to one trigger, then assigned the same snare drum to a different trigger, using a different note number. So even though I am using the same snare drum sample, I am actually using two different snares, because the same sample is assigned to different note numbers, and therefore settings for them can differ.
What I am trying to say (and doing a poor job of it I think!), is that the Zendrum triggers may have nothing to do with the volume difference at all. For me, every time I thought it was the ZD triggers, it was actually the module. Not something wrong, just 'operator dumb-dumb'. After much exploration and head scratching I finally figured it out. Course I keep making the same mistake over again, lol !
Good luck!
Rand

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ZenChat / Re: Batteries!!!!!
« on: July 17, 2011, 11:16:12 pm »
Yep, I am paranoid too, and use a fresh Li-ion rechargable battery at every gig. I keep a spare fully charged right at hand. To date I have never had to change a battery during a gig. I have changed a few during practice, but I tend to let the battery sit in the Zendrum until it runs dry if I'm not playing a gig. What a difference running wireless, and with the right batteries. Wireless and regular batteries was not a great combo; even regular rechargable had a limited life. Now, even though I come prepared, I haven't had an issue.

But, let's talk about cables, lol! I was setting up for my last gig and even though all my lights were showing that the wireless module was working properly and the Zendrum was triggering, I had no sound. Speakers on? check. Turned up? check. i went through a preflight checklist, and nothing came up empty. So, I decided I better go tethered. I got out my merge box, and plugged a MIDI cable in to the back of my module, and suddenly had the idea to try that cable with the wireless. Sure enough, it worked! I had a bad MIDI cable! First time that's happened. Tested it with an ammeter tonight, and as I was testing ( I took the ends out), I saw my problem... a broken wire at a solder point where it attaches to one of the pins. I have to solder it. Should be an easy fix, but everything is so small! I need a magnifier, and reading glasses, lol! And, I just ordered a couple of spare 5 footers, they are really cheap. Not sure it's worth fixing the old one, other than to say I did fix it! Ah well, can't hurt to have a few backup cables I suppose. :-)

Rand

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