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Tech Help / Re: Piano/Bells, etc
« on: March 06, 2010, 11:05:13 PM »
WOW!
Thanks guys, all that advice and instruction is fabulous. I am going to go with each of your's advice, sit down in the corner for a week, and learn all I can about the TD-10. I have been using it for a number of years, with a Roland V session set up. I really used it in a very limited way. Now that I have 100% committed myself (no, not that way!) to playing the zendrum only, I guess I really need to go over the manual with a fine tooth comb. I have, over the past few years, learned more about the TD10, but again vrey limited. When I first started using the zendrum, I screwed around with a lot of the settings on the TD10, and I am sure I've changed a lot of what came stock. So, first I need to reset everything back to stock, then reprogram the zendrum with my favorite's that I use now.
I messed with everything in the TD10... attack, EQ, I mean everything... basically I had no idea how little I knew. Now that I am learning more, I have found out how badly I messed it up to start with, lol!
Anyway, I have decided to play only the zendrum. I am currently in 2 working groups. The first is oldies, classic, acoustic/electric, and I found them accidentally, and we have evolved over the past few years. The 2nd group is more Americana, Country, bluegrass, and I just started working with them. They love the zendrum... and I go with it, so they're stuck with me too!
 I am planning on selling all my other gear on eBay over the next few weeks. The plan is to raise the cash in those sales, to get the zendrum to the Inspector, for the Z4 upgrade and the wireless conversion, along with a few extra pads. I 'm shooting for April, since we have a slow month playing (a lot of vacationers in April, including me).  So I will be studying hard and going back to "Roland TD10 school" over the next few weeks. I'll shoot you all an update and let you know how I am making out. And of course, if I have questions along the way, I'll be posting on this thread.
Thanks again. You guys are really very helpful. I need to learn more so I can repay by offering help to someone else... eventually!
Rand

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Tech Help / Piano/Bells, etc
« on: March 04, 2010, 08:44:37 PM »
So, I have been fooling around with Channel 2, 5 and 6. I get lots of cool sounds from strings, bells, organs, pianos, steel drums etc. BUT.. when I get something I like the sound of and try to get out of the [CH] and get to [PR] or [UP], I lose the sound I have and it switches to gongs, bells, or whatever, without my having changed any parameters. What gives?

And how can I progam this area? Apparently these sounds are built in to the zendrum. How can I change the notemap and put certain notes on certain triggers so I can play some strings, keys, etc, with the right notes? My group wants to try "Like Lovers Do" (Eurythmics), and I want to try and program the pads so I can play that string thing in the beginning. Is there any way to program these?

I am using the Z3 setup and have a Roland TD-10. The Roland does give me different sounds when I change the [PR] or the [UP]. Lots of different combinations too. I would like to figure out  (1) how to program these areas, and (2) how toget and keep the settings, sounds that I like. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Rand

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Music / Re: Who's Your Daddy
« on: February 26, 2010, 10:10:36 PM »
Jer,

Nice music! Your playing adds a lot to the sound. Do you have a particular set up for your pads that you prefer? It looks a lot different then what I use (except for the bass drum and snare on the left hand). Any way to let me know? Thanks.

Also, your sound is very crisp and clean. What are you using, BFD? Doggone, I don't know enough about MIDI. I am using my TD-10 exp, but I sure like the sound you have. I just don't know enough about setting up a laptop with software, and hooking the zendrum in.

Maybe there should be a tutorial of sorts on here, to reveal how one has different options for MIDI controllers, how to use them, tweak them, etc??

Thinking out loud........ :-)
Rand

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Music / Top Secret Drum Corp
« on: February 26, 2010, 08:47:44 PM »
Check this out... this is pretty cool!
Rand
   
 Drummerworld
You may have seen/heard a “drum line” before but never one like this.
Watch the entire video at the link below because it gets progressively better throughout including the climatic ending.
The flaming sticks at the end are awesome.
 
http://www.drummerworld.com/watchlistdrummers/Top_Secret_Drum_Corps.html
 

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I don't have a Zendrum, but... / Re: Some questions about wireless
« on: February 07, 2010, 10:16:00 PM »
Jer,
Makes sense, thats why they don't work I guess, LOL! Funny that they did work to trigger the bass drum and hi hat on the Roalnd SPD-6 unit, but I suppose that has to do with the way the SPD-6 is set up. So I will need to get a trigger pedal to make this work then. The foot switch did work with the sustain on the melodic sounds, and it also worked to change the drum kits.
Thanks!
Rand

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I don't have a Zendrum, but... / Re: Some questions about wireless
« on: February 07, 2010, 01:44:11 PM »
I have a couple of PS-15 foot switches that I have used with my SPD6 module for a kick and a hi hat response. I plugged each of them individually into the ZD, and no joy. I tried them in the bass drum jack in the back of the TD-10 and no response there either. I wonder why? They both work, as I can use them to change drum kits when plugged into the TD-10 foot switch jack. And they seemed to work fine with the SPD6 as mentioned.
Must be something to do with the software setting on the TD-10 I assume, and the same with the ZD?

 Any ideas? It would be pretty cool to use the footswitch for bass drum occasionally.

Rand

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ZenChat / Re: cymbal choke
« on: February 07, 2010, 01:21:17 PM »
Thanks Peabody, and Jer, for the responses. The sustain button does indeed work for the melodic sounds, but that's it. I don't think there is any way to set the button other than for polarity, right? The TD-10 doesn't choke the cymbals unfortunately. Maybe with the upgrade that would work Jer, I wonder if the Inspector knows?

On the same 'note' <g>, does anyone use the melodic tones? They are pretty cool, but they seem to be randomly assigned to the pads. Is there some rhyme or reason to them, and what can we do with them?

Rand

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ZenChat / Re: cymbal choke
« on: February 06, 2010, 08:48:32 PM »

Hi all,

I tried to set the choke feature using the 'sustain button' on the back, but I don't have any change with it, no matter which way I set the polarity. In fact, I don't feel the sustain button does anything either way it is set. It seems like the button has no effect on any of my sounds. Am I doing something wrong?
I am using a TD-10, but I don't think the module is the problem. Any ideas? (3.0 board, 3.1 chip)

Thanks,
Rand

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I don't have a Zendrum, but... / Re: Some questions about wireless
« on: February 06, 2010, 11:59:02 AM »
I haven't upgraded to the wireless option yet. I am running a Roland TD-10, so I will probably have the same problem of non communication should I choose to go wireless. But I don't know if really hits me. I don't mind the wire thing. I don't want to be changing batteries during the evening, or run out of battery power in the middle of a set or song. Is there enough upside using wireless to offset potential problems like non communication and loss of battery power at a bad time?

Also, losing the the input jack on the back... I haven't used mine at all, but I am going to start experimenting with a foot pedal for bass drum. If you lose one jack, will the other still be usable for a foot pedal option? Drumwagon, my switches say "foot pedal" and "sustain", but I notice your picture doesn't specify which one you still have. And, is the battery readily accessible to switch out? Looks like you have to unscrew the cover, but I assume that is not correct?

Thanks,

RandO

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Media / Re: fair warning
« on: February 01, 2009, 02:47:21 PM »
Dude,

You ROCK!   Rock on Jeff, you are the Bomb, as my kids say! This is an older thread, but it is still inspiring. You did a great job, and anyone that sits around feeling sorry for themselves should make this a mandatory "must see". You were not sure of yourself from your words, but musically you had a great sound a great steady beat. I hope you are continuing to practice and play!

Rand

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ZenChat / Re: Santana percussion
« on: January 07, 2007, 08:44:10 PM »
John,

good advice. When I first started playing with the Zendrum, I was thoroughly confused and ended up with completely different setups on several channels. It got so confusing, and I had such a limited understanding, that I gave up and put it down for months. Now, this Santana opportunity has given me new life and forced me to (a) learn how to use the Zendrum and the TD-10 as a unit, (b) learn how to program and play with it to see what works for me.

I haven't yet played with the band, that should happen this week or next. I agree, the KISS method is my first approach. I need to see what THEY need from me, and not overdo it. Try to fit between the cracks, and hopefully blend with the existing drummer and timbale player. Then, if it's a go and I find I am in the groove so to speak, try to work on the flow of the music and feeling it, not simply playing.

Thanks for the advice.
Rand

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ZenChat / Re: Santana percussion
« on: January 03, 2007, 10:38:58 PM »
Thanks Duojet,

 thats a pretty nice site.  I just started exploring it, I will take a good tour over the next few days, but already I can see some prety interesting things here.

I appreciate your help!

RandO

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ZenChat / Re: Santana percussion
« on: January 02, 2007, 08:53:26 PM »
Pyrate...

Well now, matey, that's a thought! I have a Roland TD-10 exp. I am using with the Zendrum. I can probably set up a pattern like you suggested, I'll have to  play a bit with that and see what kind of flotsam and jettsom comes up from the deep. Course, the pattern will have to play out in time with the music, and that could be a problem. Setting up a constant timed pattern always never matches the tempo of the band, unless they let ME lead the way, and they follow the tempo... could happen, I'll have to mull this one over and see if anything comes of it... Arrrrrgh!
Thanks!
RandO

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ZenChat / Re: Santana percussion
« on: January 01, 2007, 09:06:18 PM »
Pyrate,
Thanks for the advice about going with the currents, I think that sounds like the best way to approach this. I have been listening to plenty of Sanatan songs, I have loaded about 30 or so onto my Ipod, and play to them almost nightly. Thanks for the reply. Also, see below.......

Zenfem#9,
Thank you too, for the reply. I wondered if what I was listening to was 2 or 3, or even more, percussion players. I assume when one of the guitar/horn/keys players aren't playing, they are banging on something! So, add in the timbales, and the drummer, and there is a lot of percussion in some of the songs. I think the Zendrum gives me lattitude to try and fit 3 or 4 percussion pieces in at once, as long as its clean and in a pattern, not helter skelter.
I have been practicing conga/timbale/bongo licks, and trying the one handed approach, so I can try and carry out a set pattern on shaker/clav/castanet types, or wood block/cowbell/sticks . Its been fun, and some of the tunes are pretty easy to play. And, I think it sounds ok. Some of the other songs are pretty crowded with percussion, so I think I have to weed it out, and try and keep it simple. I have a tendency to want to "fill" all the time, with everything, so I have to try and keep it simple and clean, and yet provide as much as I can.

I hope to be practicng/jamming with the band this week... I'll let you know how I make out.
Thanks,
Rand

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ZenChat / Santana percussion
« on: December 27, 2006, 11:54:14 PM »
Hi All,

I have an opportunity to play percussion in a Santana tribute band. They have a drummer and a timbale player, and are looking for a "percussionist". Since I have been practicing the Zendrum, it appears to allow for an entire percussionist's ensemble! I am going to try playing with them to see if we are a fit, then take it from there.

My question is, does anyone have a site I can go to and check what exactly the percussionist is doing in each song, IE: what particular instrument they are playing at any given time, and when they change, to what instrument are they going to... that sort of thing?

I have been listening intently to a large selection of Santana songs, but it is difficult to determine what the drummer is doing, what the timbale is doing, and where the percussionist fits in. I grant you, some songs are easier to decipher than others. I want to be prepared for what I assume they want me for, when I try playing with them.

Am I being to anal? Should I just go and try some free lance percussion grooves and see how it works? I am a drummer by nature, tho I have some limited experience with congas and bongos. The Zendrum is opening up a new world for me... but I would like to enter this brave new world on my feet if possible!

 As some of you might remember, I was ready to give up and sell my Zendrum, I had gotten quite frustrated. But since I have dug in my heels and really grown to understand its capabilities, I am really enjoying myself! I mostly play my Roland drums and a TD-10 with a Blues/Oldies/Classic cover band, so this will be stepping out of character. I am planning on using the Zendrum more as I grow more comfortable with it. Can anyone give me some ideas? Thanks all!

RandO

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