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Title: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pyrate on March 03, 2010, 07:20:54 AM
Avast Thar Mateys,

     Well, the Olde Pyrate has walked off the edge of the plank (what in Neptune's realm was I thinkin) and purchased a brand new copy of BFD2 from me local Guitar Center.  I started to read the the manual (180 pages worth) and by page 16 I was already developing a Moby Dick sized headache.  The only thing advanced with this olde salt is me age. That being said, here are some questions I have.  First, my intention is to purchase a separate computer to install this beasty on.  The question that is starting to befuddle the Olde Pyrate is which one?  My choices are a) a Windows base i5 core laptop with 4Gb of RAM and a 500 Gb internal hard drive and an eSata port, or b) a Macbook Pro with 4 Gigs of Ram and a 500 Gb hard drive or c) an iMac with similar specs to the Macbook or d) a Mac Mini with similar specs.  Obviously there are pros and cons to each.  Apples be generally more expensive than a Windows PC.  Then there is the concern of throughput from an external hard drive (i.e. eSata vs Firewire 800).  Also there is the learning curve for MAC as the Olde Pyrate is a Windows saillor.  I am attempting to get this new rig in place and playing as quickly as possible.

     Any suggestions regarding computers and external hard drives, eSata vs Firewire 800, etc are cordially invited.  Anyone in the area that might be able to provide some assistance in setting this thing up (Mr. Wizard, do you here this?) would also be greatly appreciated.

Fair Winds and Following Seas,
a very confused (easy at my advanced age) Pyrate
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: THUMPER on March 03, 2010, 09:21:48 AM
Macbook Pro would be my choice since I have been on macs  for years. If i had my druthers  and some extra cash I would consider getting a solid state hard drive with it. They are a pretty expensive add on right now but should come down in price once they become mainstream. I am not familiar with the windows side but they seem to be more prone to viruses than Mac. Just my two cents worth Thumper
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pyrate on March 03, 2010, 09:31:33 AM
Avast Thar Thumper:

      I agree that PCs are more prone to viruses, however, whichever route I choose shall be limited to BFD2 and other associated programs.  I will not be doing email, graphics, or general business items on it.  Also, being that I do Network Security for the US Navy, I'm pretty confident about my abaility to minimize PC vulnerabilities.  Also Macs are now being targeted for exploits as they become more popular (especially with their interface to the iphone), so they are not as invulnerable as they used to be.  My concerns with the Mac are threefold.  One, I am not familiar with the MAC operating environment and single button mouse (I use a trackball).  Also, cost is a factor as Apples cost more than PCs.  Lastly, bandwidth throughput and latency is a concern and from what I am reading eSata is faster than firewire 800, although that remains to be seen.

     But Aye appreciate the conversation.  I find everyone's opinions and thoughts very helpful as i have not yet made a final decision. 

     I am now up to page 24 in the manual, and I am more confused than ever.  It seems I have to pick a mode (stand alone or plug in host) and then pick a player mode (edrummer or midi controller, which to me are the same thing).  I don't know if i can change these settings at a later time or not.   Arrrggghhhh!!!! Blast my lack of wits.

Fair Winds and Following Seas,
Pyrate
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Zendrumdude on March 03, 2010, 08:04:56 PM
Avast Thar Thumper:

      I agree that PCs are more prone to viruses, however, whichever route I choose shall be limited to BFD2 and other associated programs.  I will not be doing email, graphics, or general business items on it.  Also, being that I do Network Security for the US Navy, I'm pretty confident about my abaility to minimize PC vulnerabilities.  Also Macs are now being targeted for exploits as they become more popular (especially with their interface to the iphone), so they are not as invulnerable as they used to be.  My concerns with the Mac are threefold.  One, I am not familiar with the MAC operating environment and single button mouse (I use a trackball).  MAC OS IS EXTREMELY INTUITIVE AND EASY TO SWITCH TO!  IT ALSO HAS 2-FINGER CLICK, WHICH ACTS AS RIGHT-CLICK.  OR, YOU COULD USE AN EXTERNAL MOUSE/TRACKBALL.  Also, cost is a factor as Apples cost more than PCs.  Lastly, bandwidth throughput and latency is a concern and from what I am reading eSata is faster than firewire 800, although that remains to be seen.  TRUE, BUT FW800 IS PLENTY FAST... I HAVE BOTH ON MY MACBOOK PRO, AND HAVE NEVER HAD ANY ISSUES WITH FW800.

     But Aye appreciate the conversation.  I find everyone's opinions and thoughts very helpful as i have not yet made a final decision. 

     I am now up to page 24 in the manual, and I am more confused than ever.  It seems I have to pick a mode (stand alone or plug in host) and then pick a player mode (edrummer or midi controller, which to me are the same thing).  I don't know if i can change these settings at a later time or not.   Arrrggghhhh!!!! Blast my lack of wits. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN CHANGE PREFERENCES LATER, BUT ALL YOU ARE CHOOSING HERE IS ITS DEFAULT BEHAVIOR... YOU CAN EASILY USE AS A PLUG IN OR STANDALONE AT ANY TIME (YOU'LL WANT STANDALONE RIGHT NOW, I AM ASSUMING, UNLESS YOU'RE USING IT INSIDE ABLETON, ETC.)

Fair Winds and Following Seas,
Pyrate
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pyrate on March 04, 2010, 03:28:06 AM
Avast Thar Mateys,

     In me never ending quest for knowledge, I visited me local Apple store yesterday.  I know that certain Windows based PCs are using the new quad core i3, i5 and i7 CPUs.  I had heard that Mac was also going to start using those chips as well and that they were supposed to be released this week.  The nice young wench at the Apple store had not heard about this, although she determined that the iMac had the option of upgrading to an i7.  However the iMac (as impressive as it is), is not exactly portable and the macbook pro does not have the option for the newer chip.  The Admiral would never approve the acquisition of a macbook pro using older technology, when for 1/4 of the price I can get a new HP that has an i5 with a 500 Gb, 7200 rpm hard drive and 4Gb of DDR3 RAM and a host of other features.  So it appears that HP it is, although HP only has a firewire 400 port.  I suspect I can get a third party expansion card with a firewire 800 port, although from what I am reading eSATA is faster.

     Now that the choice of laptop is made, the next question is this.  My intent is to remove all extraneous software from that machine (such as Microsoft Works) and only keep what is essential to run BFD2 and internet (for registraion and update purposes).  Given that the new PC has a 7200 rpm, 500 Gb hard drive, should I still add an external HD as well, or should I run the entire mess inside the box?  Also, during setup, should I choose "edrummer" or "midi controller"?

Fair Winds and Following Seas,
Pyrate
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Zendrumdude on March 04, 2010, 12:35:16 PM
Pyrate,

Midi controller.  However, understand that all you are choosing here (as I understand it) is the family of supported midi controllers that are "pre-loaded" for BFD2.  You'll still be setting up your own maps from scratch unfortunately.  In other words, not a big difference either way... moot point.  (I mean MOO point.  It's like a cow's opinion... it's MOO!)

Jer
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pyrate on March 05, 2010, 04:01:19 AM
Avast Thar Dude,

    I should have expected a MOO point from a landlubber in Montana.  Shiver me timbers! 

    I am still slowly taking in the BFD2 manual.  When I watched Mr. Wizard's video of setting up high hats in BFD2 it seemed so easy.  Now I be not so certain.  I'm sure I will have other questions as i continue to digest (and suffer the resulting indigestion) the BFD2 manual. 

    I am also still trying to avoid the use of foot pedals for hats and kicks if I can.  Eventually I am going to get a Roland FC-300 to facilitate program changes.  I would also like to pick up a Bose L1 Model 2, but that may have to wait until the redneck retirement fund kicks in.

Fair Winds and following Seas,
Pyrate
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pocket Master on March 05, 2010, 06:09:58 AM
Hey Pyrate,

I highly recommend the FC-300.  I bought one back in December and do not regret it at all.  It allows me to jump to different kits without my hands ever leaving the pads.  The only drawback is that if I am playing drum kit #1, which would be pedal #1, and want to change to #33, I cannot program pedal #2 to go to kit #33, I would have to arrow up with my foot until I get to pedal #33.  All I had to do was move kits around on my module so my most common kits are #1 through #10.  Just a heads up on that, but I am glad i got one. 

I am thinking that it would also be a solution to a problem I have read about regarding the Z4 model.  With the 3.1 chip, you can just arrow up on the pad on the back of the ZX to change programs, from what I have read, the Z4 adds an extra confirm step in the process, the foot controller goes straight to the module so your program changes are one foot tap and you are there. 

Another issue is that the FC-300 has no MIDI through port.  I could not hook the Zen to the MIDI in on the FC because it would not send the signal from the ZX to the module.  The FC would still change the kits on the module but would not send the signal through from the ZX.  I ended up buying a MIDI Merge Box from MIDI Solutions (through Guitar Center).  Now I have a separate input for the FC and one for the ZX with one out to the module.  Works perfect.

Rob
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: drshark on March 05, 2010, 09:29:39 AM
Hey Sticks,

Just an FYI. I am fortunate to use Roland TD-20 module which allows me to put kits into a chain and I use a Rolands FS-5U pedal to trigger a change of kit loaded on the chain. This is also done with one push of a button on the mocule if yoiu put it close to where you are playing on stage.

Mark
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Zendrumdude on March 06, 2010, 01:15:41 PM
Avast Thar Dude,

    I should have expected a MOO point from a landlubber in Montana.  Shiver me timbers!  FYI, that's a quote from FRIENDS.  But yeah, lotsa cows here in land-locked MT!

    I am still slowly taking in the BFD2 manual.  When I watched Mr. Wizard's video of setting up high hats in BFD2 it seemed so easy.  Now I be not so certain.  I'm sure I will have other questions as i continue to digest (and suffer the resulting indigestion) the BFD2 manual. 

    I am also still trying to avoid the use of foot pedals for hats and kicks if I can.  Eventually I am going to get a Roland FC-300 to facilitate program changes.  I would also like to pick up a Bose L1 Model 2, Man, you will LOVE it.  Seriously, get 2.  The stereo thing is UNREAL with these.  You'll need at LEAST 2 subs per pole too... $$$ but that may have to wait until the redneck retirement fund kicks in.

Fair Winds and following Seas,
Pyrate
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Zendrumdude on March 06, 2010, 01:18:25 PM
Hey Pyrate,

I highly recommend the FC-300.  I bought one back in December and do not regret it at all.  It allows me to jump to different kits without my hands ever leaving the pads.  The only drawback is that if I am playing drum kit #1, which would be pedal #1, and want to change to #33, I cannot program pedal #2 to go to kit #33, I would have to arrow up with my foot until I get to pedal #33.  All I had to do was move kits around on my module so my most common kits are #1 through #10.  Just a heads up on that, but I am glad i got one. 
I have this pedal too, and it rocks.  Isn't there a mode that allows you to assign #2 to send PR #33?  I swear that was something I read... maybe I need to reread that damned manual.
I am thinking that it would also be a solution to a problem I have read about regarding the Z4 model.  With the 3.1 chip, you can just arrow up on the pad on the back of the ZX to change programs, from what I have read, the Z4 adds an extra confirm step in the process,TRUE! the foot controller goes straight to the module so your program changes are one foot tap and you are there. 

Another issue is that the FC-300 has no MIDI through port.  I could not hook the Zen to the MIDI in on the FC because it would not send the signal from the ZX to the module.  The FC would still change the kits on the module but would not send the signal through from the ZX.  I ended up buying a MIDI Merge Box from MIDI Solutions (through Guitar Center).  Now I have a separate input for the FC and one for the ZX with one out to the module.  Works perfect.  This is what I am doing too.

Rob
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pyrate on March 06, 2010, 08:05:59 PM
Avast Thar Matey,

    Okay, so I bought the new computer, which has an i5 intel cpu, 4 Gb of RAM, 500Gb HD, and an esata port, but no external HD yet.  The question is, with a lrge internal hard drive, should I even get an external?

Fair Winds and Following Seas,
Pyrate
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Zendrumdude on March 06, 2010, 09:14:52 PM
Yes, you should.  It keeps the data stream (samples) free from any other operating memory... OS, BFD engine, etc.  As I understand it, you ALWAYS want your sample library on a dedicated drive separate from the operations of the system.

If you're looking for advice, I bought a Glyph 1TB drive.  It's rack-mounted, bulletproof, fan-cooled, and *gulp* PRICY.  But they are the industry standard kick-ass hard drives!

Jer
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pyrate on March 09, 2010, 06:24:08 AM
Avast Thar Mateys,

       So I just purchased a Cavalry  1TB External HD with 32 MB Cache, Esata interface, ad nauseum.  Now I have to wait 9-15 days (with free shipping) to get this mess.  Any suggestions from this point?  Do I load the main BFD program on my local drive and keep the samples on the external (can I even do that?)?  Do I put the whole schmear (a nautical term) on the external?  This software business is very new to me.  Also What is this about running BFD2 within another program like Abelton or Reason or Protools or whatever?  I never get this lost at sea, that's for certain.  Arrrgghhhhh!!!!

Fair Winds and Following Seas,
Pyrate
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Zendrumdude on March 09, 2010, 04:54:27 PM
Avast Thar Mateys,

       So I just purchased a Cavalry  1TB External HD with 32 MB Cache, Esata interface, ad nauseum.  Now I have to wait 9-15 days (with free shipping) to get this mess.  Any suggestions from this point?  Do I load the main BFD program on my local drive and keep the samples on the external (can I even do that?)?  Yep, that's what you'll do.  Do I put the whole schmear (a nautical term) on the external?  No, just the data (samples).  When you install BFD2, it will ask you where to install the application (use default location) and then where you want the data... specify your ext drive.  This software business is very new to me.  Also What is this about running BFD2 within another program like Abelton or Reason or Protools or whatever? If you want to use external effect programs, you'll need to run BFD2 as a "plugin" within a "host" (think of it like a software version of a mixer, and using software versions of your rack-mounted effects, eq's, compressors, etc.)  I never get this lost at sea, that's for certain.  Arrrgghhhhh!!!!

Fair Winds and Following Seas,
Pyrate
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pyrate on March 10, 2010, 03:41:57 AM
Avast Thar Mateys,

     Jer, thanks for the advice.  I think that I will just mess around with BFD2 in stand alone for a while.  If I start playing around with hosts I will on;y confuse myself more.  And at my advanced age, that can happen quite easily.  Since I have only performed publicly once (and that was a fluke), I don't think I will need all the fancy eqs, compressors, expanders, and other gee whix stuff from a host application.

    After Aye get the new hard drive and load BFD on it I will let everyone know how I am doing.

Fair Winds and Following Seas,
Pyrate
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Zendrumdude on March 10, 2010, 08:03:03 PM
Pyrate,

Wise choice.  BFD2 has all the processing stuff you'll ever need onboard.  I use mine in a host (sometimes) for 2 reasons:

-My host (Ableton Live) has looping capabilities
-I also use my Zendrum LT at the same time with melodic stuff.  To run both at once, I need a host to house both "modules."

Jer
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pyrate on March 19, 2010, 04:46:47 PM
Avast Thar Mateys,

      So Aye finally received me external hard drive; a 1TB Cavalry with a 32 MB Cache and an Esata interface.  I managed to successfully load BFD in stand alone mode.  I even got preprogrammed sounds to come out of it using my earphone jack going to my Alesis 12R Rackmount mixer.  I am running on an HP laptop with an i5 quad core, 4 GB of RAM and a 500GB internal hard drive, with Windows 7 64bit as an OS.  All was well until I tried to hook in my M-Audio midisport Uno to a USB port.  The blasted machine said it could not find a driver.  I went to the M-Audio website and for this particular device, there is no driver listed for Windows 7.  So here is the question:  How do I connect me Jolly Roger Zendrum to me computer so I can play using BFD2?  Arrrggghhhh!!!!  I be lost adrift among a sea of free electrons.

Fair Winds and Followiung Seas,
Pyrate
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pyrate on March 19, 2010, 05:12:45 PM
Avast Thar Mateys,

     While Aye be thinkin about it, my new laptop has a 17.3 wide screen display.  How do Aye maximize BFD2 to fill up the screen?  The maximize button is grayed out.

Fair Winds and following Seas,
Pyrate
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: john emrich on March 19, 2010, 09:29:19 PM
You just need to get a MIDI to USB interface that has current support for your computer.  The Uno is getting up there in age......  I really like The Motu fastlane.  It is about $70.  You will need to check the specs on what ever you buy.

There is no maximizing BFD2.  Because it functions as a plug in the size needs to be set.  You could try changing your screen layout.  That would make it look bigger.

Good luck!
John
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pyrate on March 22, 2010, 12:05:45 PM
Avast Thar Mr. Wizard,

     I picked up a Motu Fastlane per your recommendation on Sunday.  Installed easy enough and I managed to get a kit built, saved and loaded in BFD2.  I checked my Jolly Roger Zendrum and it actually started making sounds from the PC with BFD2 loaded with no noticeable latency issues.  Of course I am not running a wirelss conffig yet.  I have watched your video on setting up hi hats, but I am not using a pedal yet, so the question becomes, how do I set up hi hats when I am not using a pedal?  Also are you available for some BFD2 instruction?

Fair Winds and Following Seas,
Pyrate
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: john emrich on March 22, 2010, 10:04:52 PM
Shipmate,

Congrats on your progress with BFD2.  You can contact me if you want to get a little deeper into BFD2, but it sounds like you are figuring it out.

I use the standard open/closed, two trigger approach when I don't have a HH pedal.  The Zendrum stays the same and I use a different map in BFD2.  It is easy to set up.  The addition of the CC pedal really opens up some possibilities for Hi Hat and allows me to concentrate on other new things.

Cheers,
John
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pyrate on March 24, 2010, 02:47:15 AM
Avast Thar Mateys,

      Aye once again watched videos of Mr. Wizard setting up drum kits and pieces in BFD2. Looked easy enough until Aye started getting some strange things when setting up me ride cymbals. I wanted one pad to be the tip hit and another pad to be the bell.  Aye picked out me two triggers and managed to get both of them set to the same setting (either hit or bell) but cannot seem to separate the two.  If Aye change one, the other follows along.  SOS!!!

Fair Winds and Following seas,
Pyrate
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Zendrumdude on March 24, 2010, 09:12:31 AM
Pyrate,

First, check on the Zendrum... are the 2 pads the same note number?  If so, there's your problem.  If not, go to BFD2's midi window, and check out the keyboard on the left.  As you hit those pads, they will be highlighted on the keyboard.  Click-n-drag the ride cymbal onto the keys you want; when you do, it will allow you to pick which articulations you want for each.

Hope that helps, matey!

Jer (deck swabber)
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: john emrich on March 24, 2010, 03:16:33 PM
Click-n-drag the ride cymbal onto the keys you want; when you do, it will allow you to pick which articulations you want for each.

Jer (deck swabber)

If you see the word Multiple, you might have both triggers assigned to it.  Right Click to clear the articulation.


John
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pyrate on March 26, 2010, 03:44:10 AM
Avast Thar Mateys,

     Yet another seemingly inncoucous quenstion from the BFD2 newbie.  Is there a way in BFD2 stand alone mode to load more than one kit at a time so that when Aye am playing say a jazz brush kit, Aye can, using something similar to a Roland FC-300, switch kits in mid stream, or do Aye need yet another peice of software to accomplish that?

Fair Winds and Following Seas,
Pyrate
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Zendrumdude on March 26, 2010, 10:01:50 AM
Pyrate,

In BFD2 standalone, there isn't a way to do this *exactly* like you said, but if you use the largest kit setup (I think it's 33 kit pieces), and then load all the sounds you want, you can use 2 notemaps on the Jolly Roger to switch between these kits.  This is what I do, and it works great!  Remember that you can load ANY instrument into any slot (but sometimes you lose certain articulations in doing this).  But right off the bat you have 2 bass drums, 2 snare drums, I think 6 toms, and like 8 cymbals... I am guessing on those, but the bottom line is, it should be PLENTY.

Jer
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pyrate on April 01, 2010, 04:39:08 AM
Avast Thar Mateys,

      Aye just received me a Roland FD-7 Hi Hat pedal that Aye won from Ebay.  Now the question be how do Aye connect it to me computer running BFD-2?  It appears to only have a 1/4 inch jack.  It be obvious where to put it on me TD-20, but I want to try this without the TD-20 connected just yet.

Fair Winds and Following Seas,
Pyrate
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Zendrumdude on April 01, 2010, 10:52:14 AM
Pyrate,

You have 2 options:

-Into the TD-20, then midi out to your PC
-Into the back of your ZX (provided it's upgraded to Z4)

If you wanna buy more gear (don't we all?) you could get a Roland TMC-6, an Alesis Trigger IO, or a Midi Solutions pedal-to-midi interface.  All would provide the same thing for you: a simple and small way to get your pedal interfaced with your PC.

Jer
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pocket Master on April 02, 2010, 04:02:19 AM
That is how it was with my FC-300.  I purchased it not realizing that there was not a MIDI through, just a MIDI out so I ended up buying another component being the MIDI merge box from MIDI Solutions (purchased through guitar center).  It was $50 which was nothing after sinking the money for the FC.  Always something else that you need to purchase.....upgrade ZX.....buy more software.........a new module...........when will it end!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rob
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Zendrumdude on April 02, 2010, 09:50:24 AM
.when will it end!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sticks,

Here are the answers: (when will gear-obsession end)

1) Never.
2) When spouse says so.
3) When kid(s) go(es) to college.
4) Death (either actual death, or threat of death from spouse).

Sorry to be blunt buddy, but ya gotta know the truth.   :D

Jer
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pyrate on April 04, 2010, 04:42:53 PM
Avast Thar Mateys,

    Well after receiving my FD-7 Hi Hat pedal, Aye just found out that Alesis has a new DM-10 Studio Kit

http://www.alesis.com/dm10studiokit

After seeing the price tag ($999 from Amazon with free shipping) and comparing that to the $6999 proce tag of a new Roland TD20 kit, Aye took the plunge and ordered one.  No estimated delivery date yet.  One more thing to add to the new studio section of the living room.

And the best part is that Aye even had me First Mate's permission to get it.  Arrrgghhhh!!!

Fair Winds and Following Seas,
Pyrate
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pyrate on April 09, 2010, 05:55:47 PM
Avast Thar Mateys,

     Aye managed to load a decent kit into BFD2 and saved it.  However, now when Aye strike a pad rather hard (maximum velocity) Aye notice that it is not a single hit I hear (particularly on the snares), but almost of a multi-hit bounce.  Sometimes it is two hits of decreasing volume sometimes more.  How do Aye correct this rather annoying issue?

Fair Winds and following Seas,
Pyrate
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Zendrumdude on April 09, 2010, 07:14:36 PM
Pyrate,

Check BFD's midi monitor window and see what you're getting.  My guess is it's false triggering... you hit one pad, but it's so sensitive that others fire as well.  If so, you'll have to raise the FL in the ZX.

Jer
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pyrate on April 11, 2010, 05:53:34 PM
Avast Thar Zendrumdude,

      Thanks for the advice.  The problem seems to have left for now.  However, Aye wanted to set up a set of brushes.  Aye went through the entire BFD manual and no mention is made of brushes.  Is there any way to get brushes in BFD2 without having to purchase an expansion pack?

Fair Winds and following Seas,
Pyrate
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: john emrich on April 11, 2010, 07:24:54 PM
Sorry, but brushes are available as expansions.  BFD2 was produced with a different engineer and brushes are kind of my thing.  What you could do is purchase one of the Yamaha kits (down loadable) and one of the signature snare packs.  The download series is a great way to get more sounds at a low price without leaving your wheel house.

John
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pyrate on April 17, 2010, 03:33:03 PM
Avast Thar Mateys,

       Aye hate to sound like a dumb box of rocks, but this stuff be getting the best of me olde brain.  Yesterday Aye managed to create a nice kit.  Aye got the sounds jusat the way Aye liked them and Aye set up the Jolly Roger Zendrum pads to play the sounds Aye wanted.  Aye then saved the kit.  When Aye went back later, the kit loaded just fine, but the zendrum pads were not playing the same stuff that Aye had programmed in, i.e. the toms and snares and cymbals were no longer on the pads to which Aye had originally assigned them to.  Have any of you BFD2 experts had this happen?  Aye be seriously befuddled.

Fair Winds and Following Seas,
Pyrate
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Zendrumdude on April 17, 2010, 05:03:01 PM
YES!  And this is something I wish they'd change in BFD2.

Here's the fix... if it helps, you owe me a Morgan-N-Coke!  We'll drink one together.

When you save the kit, you also have to save the Keymap.  After both have been saved (and the mixer, if you made any changes), save the whole shebang as a PRESET.

Here's the tricky part:

When you load the preset, unless you click the box on "Load Keymap" it will NOT load the map!  WHAT?!?!?! I have no idea why they had it default to NOT loading the map with the preset, but I wish they'd change that.  So, click Load Preset, and then in the chooser window, be sure to click "Load Keymap" at the bottom.

Jer
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pyrate on April 17, 2010, 05:18:42 PM
Avast Thar Zendrumdude,

     Aye do indeed owe ye a Captain Morgan  and whatever ye mix with it.   Arrrggghhhhh!!!  Aye knew it had to be something more complex than me feeble mind could handle.   Aye gave it a go and ye know the darn thing worked.  Aye suppose Aye should sit down and read the BFD manual.  So far what little Aye have been able to comprehend is that Aye will need to purchase many BFD2 expansion packs for meself before I can get exactly the sounds that I want.

Fair Winds and Following Seas,
Pyrate
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Zendrumdude on April 17, 2010, 11:06:33 PM
Pyrate,

I have been really happy with sounds from XFL and the Jazz-n-Funk sets (J&F has SWEET cymbal samples especially!).  Also, I couldn't survive without the Percussion pack.  And I downloaded a couple kits too... one of them, I think it was the Yamaha Oaks, has a KILLER set played with hot rods.  You mentioned brushes... that too.  Basically if John E. built it, you gotta have it.

Jer
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pyrate on April 18, 2010, 12:17:43 PM
Avast Thar Dude,

      I downloaded the Maple kit upgrade.  While Aye long for Jazz and Funk and the Percussion packs, those will have to wait until Aye replenish me stock of Pyrate Booty.

     Now what Aye need to do is coordinate my TD-20 to what BFD is putting out so that I can switch from one to the other quickly and easily.

     Someday ye will have to visit the Annapolis, MD area, so Mr. Wizard and Aye can meet you face to face and we can share that Captain Morgan.

Fair Winds and Followingeas,
Pyrate
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pyrate on April 19, 2010, 06:36:57 PM
Avast Thar Mateys,

      Someday Aye may get the hang of this BFD2 thing.  Here is the situation.  I created a kit and with Zendrumdude's expert assistance, I managed to save the kit, the keymap, the equalizer and the preset so that it all now loads consistently.  However, when trying to jam along with some Manhattan Transfer Aye noticed a definite lag between my playing and what was coming out of my studio monitors.  When Aye switched over to my trusty Rolnad TD-20 the lag went away.  So the questions are a) am Aye crazy in what I am hearing and b) what can be done to fix it?

Fair Winds and Following Seas,
Pyrate
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pocket Master on April 19, 2010, 06:56:05 PM
My guess would be your computer processing speed is causing the latency issues.  I don't have BFD2 but to me it sounds like a computer issue with memory.  How much RAM do you have in your computer?  If you increase your RAM (more money), the delay may go away.  It isn't there when you use your TD-20 because that is what it is designed for, playing drums and percussion.

Hope this helps a little.

Rob
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pyrate on April 20, 2010, 03:57:39 PM
Avast Thar Sticks,

     Aye have 4 Gigabytes of RAM, an Intel I5 cpu and a 500 Gigabyte harddrive.  Internally there is also an NVIDIA graphics card with 512 MBytes of dedicated video memory.  Externally Aye have a 1 TB eSATA hard drive with a 32 MByte Cache.  Aye store the sample files on the external hard drive per directions of Zendrumdude and Mr. Wizard.  aye am running Windows 7 and aye have stripped all unneccesary programs from it.  Aye have optimized as much as Aye can, methinks.

     Aye still be at a loss to understand the delay.

Fair Winds and Following Seas,
Pyrate
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: DrumWagon on April 20, 2010, 04:12:18 PM
Your specs sound good and you're doing well with the external drive.  The latency must be within your audio interface and/or drivers.  What are you using to get MIDI into your rig and audio out?  Are you using ASIO based drivers?
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pyrate on April 20, 2010, 05:53:29 PM
Avast Thar Wagon,

     Aye be using a Fastlane USB to MIDI Interface, which then goes to a MOTU 8x8 Midi Interface, all MIDI ins are sent to all MIDI outs (lazy [rogramming on me part).  No wireless yet.  Sound output is from the PC to an Alesis 12R Rackmount mixer.  The TD-20 is also hooked into the mixer and the MOTU MIDI interface.  The outputs from the mixer are connected to my studio monitors (KRK RP-5s).  I have another external hard drive that has most of my music files (ripped from CDs) on it, sdeparate from the BFD2 external hard drive.  I checked my IO settings in BFD2.  Audio devices are set for Microsoft Sound Mapper, Audio channels are set to "1+2",  Audio Buufer is set to 2048, Sample Rate is set to 96000, MIDI Ports are shown as previously mentioned, Sync to MIDI clock is unchecked and the ASIO Control Panel is grayed out and not selectable.

    I still be lost at sea.

Fair Winds and Following Seas,
Pyrate
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Zendrumdude on April 20, 2010, 07:48:04 PM
2 suggestions:

-Click 16-Bit mode in the Engine preferences.
-Get an external Audio interface.  I use a Motu Ulrtalite.  I know it's pricy, but I believe audio processing is your issue.

CHECK with John E.!  He KNOWS this stuff man... he'll get you hooked up.

Jer
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: john emrich on April 21, 2010, 11:59:01 PM
............ Audio Buufer is set to 2048........
Pyrate

This looks like your problem  I think the time equation for 2048 samples is something like one week.  (Kidding, but it is very late)  You need to get your buffer down to around 128.  You should also set your sample rate to 24.  It looks like you are trying to get the maximum resolution.  Problem is that you are maxing out your CPU.  In the end it comes out as analog to your speakers.  lowering the resolution will not be noticed on consumer grade audio devices and you will have better performance.

How are you playing music and playing BFD2 at the same time?  Are you using a host (DAW) program?  If so what?  Sorry, but I just saw this thread and you may have answered this already.

Sound mapper might be the problem.  If you can get your hands on a dedicated audio interface that is designed with music production in mind, you will get better performance.  You could look at the Presonus line.  They are easy on the wallet and adjustable for Buffer settings that will work better.  They also ship with free DAW versions of their new software program.  You can load your "ripped" audio track into one channel and host BFD2 in another MIDI channel.  That will help you line things up AND you can record yourself.

Hope this helps.

John

John
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pyrate on April 22, 2010, 07:04:58 AM
Avast Thar Mr. Wizard,

     The way Aye play BFD and ripped music is easy.  First Aye load BFD with the kit of my choice, then Aye open up Windows media player.  Aye start playing the MP3 playlist and then join in with the Jolly Roger Zen.  My MP3 files are stored on an external Hard Drive that is different from the one that Aye use for BFD.  No problem other than the latency Aye am experiencing.  Aye have reset BFD to the specs you suggest and gave that a try.  According to what I see in the menu, the lowest sample rate I can choose is 44100.   When I set the buffer to anything below 1024 Aye get a static sounding feedback whenever Aye strike a pad.  I also notice that no matter how many times Aye save my keymaps, kits, mixer settings and presets, when I reload the preset (checking to make sure the keymap feature is selected), the sounds are rarely where Aye have assigned them on the Jolly Roger Zen.  Other ambiance settings also manage to change, (like when I hit the snare drum pad and get bass drum sounds with it), without input on my part.  Aye am looking at an external audio interface.  So far Aye have looked at the MOTU unit that Zendrumdude has mentioned and the M-Audio Fast Track Pro.  The M-Audio unit is very reasonable priced (around $199), works with usb 2.0 and also has MIDI in and out ports, which means Aye can probably eliminate the MOTU Fastlane that Aye purchased a week or so ago, at your suggestion (a very good suggestion I might add), as it would be redundant.

     Now Aye realize Aye be an Olde Salty Pyrate, but when it comes to compukers Aye ain't quite a complete dummy (look at what Aye really do for a living).  So Aye be at a loss in understanding this musical software stuff and Aye apologize to the tribe for my ignorant questions.  But Aye be learning.  Slowly, to be sure, but learning nonetheless.  Thank you all for being so patient.
    
     Perhaps you could just come over for dinner one evening and set this thing up properly.

Far Winds and Following Seas,
Pyrate
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pocket Master on April 22, 2010, 07:33:26 AM
Hey Pyrate,

Here is an idea.  Although I don't use BDF2, I am using Superior and I am sure the two have similarities.  I set my MIDI note numbers in the software, snare 36, kick 38, and so on.  I then just change my ZX pads to where I want 36, 38, and so on leaving the software alone.  I have not had an issue with loading up a kit and not having the pads set the way I programmed it.  Try leaving the assigned notes within the software alone and just change the MIDI note number on your "Jolly Roger" and you should be good to go, hypothetically speaking that is......

Rob
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Zendrumdude on April 22, 2010, 02:20:20 PM
Pyrate,

Seems to me you have 2 sets of issues here: audio and file management.  There's no way I can add further to John's info, but I can tell you that he helped me set mine up, and I have my sample buffer set really low as he suggested, with no distortion that you mentioned.  I might have mine set at 256 instead of 128, but somewhere in there.

Now, about the save issues:

I don't know if this will help, but I really had a frustrating time learning how to navigate this, and I have figured out how it works for me, without fail.

Let's say I am working on a preset and have changed settings in ALL windows, and want to save them for recall.  I go to the mixer page, save the mixer with the name of the kit it goes with.  I go to the keymap page, save keymap with the name of the kit.  I go to the kit page, and save the kit with its name.  THEN, after all of those are all named and saved, I go save the PRESET with the name of the kit (all the names line up, just for my sanity's sake).  When I open BFD2 next time, I click "load preset" and choose that preset.  Click "load keymap" box at the bottom of the preset load window.  This has never failed for me, once I figured out saving all the different windows before saving the preset.

I hope that helps, matey!

Jer
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pyrate on April 22, 2010, 04:26:04 PM
Avast Thar Zendrumdude,

      As you have suggested, Aye have saved the mixer setup with the name of the kit, the kit itself to a similar name and the keymap in a similar manner.  And finally the preset.  When Aye load the preset, pads have mysteriously changed.  Perhaps Aye have a ghost in me compuker.  Eventually I will figure it out.  Since Mr. Wizard just happens to live near me, perhaps he will be tempted by me dinner offer. 

Fair Winds and Following Seas,
Pyrate
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: Pyrate on May 19, 2010, 07:53:45 AM
Avast Thar Mateys,

      Here be the latest in me saga of BFD2.  Listening to me shipmate Mr. Wizard, I purchased a Presonus USB audio interface.  Setup was a breeze and the Studio 1 software that came with it seems so imposing Aye haven't even really tried doing anything with it yet.  Aye have setup a brand new kit in BFD2 and mapped it to me Jolly Roger Zen.  All of the notes that Aye have mapped out sound fine at first touch.  BFD2 be definitely more sensitive than me TD-20.  However, Aye noticed that when playing finger rolls, BFD2 seems to be delaying more and more as the finger roll continues.  It appears that anything faster than 16th notes causes this latency.  It is not something that Aye notice with me TD-20.  Hopefully one of you fine BFD2 experts can assist me with this probably small issue.  Aye suspect BFD2 operator error on me part.

     Aye still be floundering in the BFD2 sea of frustration. So sit right down and Aye'll tell you a tale.  A tale of a fateful trip, that started in a Mid-Atlantic port aboard me tiny ship.......

Fair Winds and Following Seas,
Pyrate
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: john emrich on May 19, 2010, 09:35:15 PM
1.  Check your inbox.

2.  I would also like you to check your version of BFD2.  The current one available is build 47.  Make sure you have it.

3.  You might be having some problems running both your media player and BFD2 at the same time.  Using the DAW software that you got with the Presonus will fix that.  Load the tune into an audio track and BFD2 into an instrument track.

4.  You can also use that software to turn your tracks into 16 bit audio files and load them into BFD2, hit a trigger and play along.

Aye am sure that we can get you sorted out.

John
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: GregDavis on April 20, 2011, 05:05:05 AM
I would like to know Does BFD have side stick sounds??
Title: Re: BFD2 Questions
Post by: john emrich on April 20, 2011, 08:36:29 PM
yes.  all snares have cross stick ( side stick) samples.

cheers!